Vancouver BC Meeting 03222006
- Former user (Deleted)
TODOs
- Go over Iteration steps and add anything you would like to see covered (brainstorming). Also add comments with your name appended to it in the form of sub bullet points (Everybody)
- e.g. Some Comment ... (thomas)
Breeze Chat Log
Thomas Amsler: hey Zach
Zach: hi.
Zach: I was off in another window.
Thomas Amsler: what's new with you
Zach: I just got back from spring break.
Zach: It would have been nice if I didn't have a cold the entire time.
Thomas Amsler: ncie where did u go
Thomas Amsler: doh
Zach: I was at home, but there was plenty to keep me busy.
Zach: SXSW was that week.
Mike Osterman: Hello there, peoples.
Mike Osterman: South by Southwest?
Thomas Amsler: googling sxsw 
Mike Osterman: The music festivities?
Thomas Amsler: hey mike
Mike Osterman: Howdy.
Mike Osterman: You never answered my allegations last week...
Mike Osterman: You're going to be a pappy, right?
Thomas Amsler: yep
Thomas Amsler: due date is may 3rd
Mike Osterman: Wow - that's getting close.
Thomas Amsler: yep
Mike Osterman: Do you have the nursery all together?
Thomas Amsler: yep
Mike Osterman: Good deal - my wife was kicking me in the bitter end to get it done.
Thomas Amsler: I hear you
Mike Osterman: While we're waiting for everyone else, have either of you used a password storage program for Windows called KeePass?
Mike Osterman: They're porting it to Linux and Mac using QT4, and it's really starting to work nicely.
Thomas Amsler: nope
Mike Osterman: Fie and shame
Aaron Zeckoski: Zach, click the lock
Mike Osterman: Why Can't I talk?
Aaron Zeckoski: Sorry, my bad
Aaron Zeckoski: now you should be able to
Aaron Zeckoski: is there an easy way to make everyone a presenter?
Thomas Amsler: cool
Aaron Zeckoski:
Aaron Zeckoski: Nice!
Thomas Amsler: is Bill coming?
Mike Osterman: Looks like we lost Zach.
Aaron Zeckoski: Is Bill coming?
Mike Osterman: Nope - he's at a conference.
Aaron Zeckoski: oh right
Aaron Zeckoski: I forgot
Mike Osterman: So....
Mike Osterman: Ah
Aaron Zeckoski: oh
Aaron Zeckoski: I turned on private chat
Aaron Zeckoski: fun
Aaron Zeckoski: roger
Thomas Amsler: Shall we app share a browser to see what we have so far?
Aaron Zeckoski: yeah, go for it
Thomas Amsler: ok one sec
Mike Osterman: yep
Aaron Zeckoski: affirmative
Aaron Zeckoski: there should be a "pulse the thumbs up"
Aaron Zeckoski: that sounds good though
Aaron Zeckoski: but make your browser window bigger
Zach: We should take a shot at breaking the available time down into digestible pieces.
Aaron Zeckoski: Or just share the browser instead of your whole desktop
Aaron Zeckoski: either way
Aaron Zeckoski:
Zach: whole desktop.
Zach: that's it
Aaron Zeckoski: better
Mike Osterman: talk
Mike Osterman: or type.
Mike Osterman: Let's do a shared note here.
Aaron Zeckoski: I vote for the note
Aaron Zeckoski: or that 
Zach: I did!
Aaron Zeckoski: ((|)|-|+)
Aaron Zeckoski: periods.are.awesome
Mike Osterman: BDR?
Aaron Zeckoski: bdr?
Mike Osterman: Iteration 2 - last step.
Aaron Zeckoski: Bipolar Directional Redirection I think
Aaron Zeckoski: just a guess though
Mike Osterman: Uh-huh
Mike Osterman: BTW, nice job, Mr. AJAX!!!
Mike Osterman: On the reg form.
Mike Osterman: Checkboxes and all.
Mike Osterman: Check marks, that is.
Aaron Zeckoski:
Aaron Zeckoski: yeah, the rest sux, but the check marks are teh roxors
Zach: I love the check marks.
Zach: Sorry. It's just a reminder.
Zach: :-D
Zach: hehe.
Mike Osterman: That would be CBDR
Aaron Zeckoski: ohhh .. nice
Mike Osterman: You forgot the clean.
Aaron Zeckoski: indeed
Mike Osterman: Also, the JSF of Sakai is much different than "regular" JSF.
Aaron Zeckoski: good point
Mike Osterman: That's true.
Mike Osterman: Does Selenium testing come in to play?
Mike Osterman: I wonder if each "iteration" could be a tag or revision.
Zach: I like that idea, Mike.
Mike Osterman: They check out the next set of code for each iteration.
Aaron Zeckoski: I would agree with Zach
Mike Osterman: Yeah - unit testing up front muddies the waters too much.
Mike Osterman: Layer it in in a later iteration.
Mike Osterman: What would be really interesting is to have a hole in our design that unit testing would find.
Mike Osterman: And then show how unit testing can improve your code.
Aaron Zeckoski: Oh man, that means I can't write it then... since I never make code mistakes I mean
Mike Osterman: AaronZ - the Bulletproof Monk.
Zach: It's ok, Aaron, we can introduce a Persian flaw into your code.
Aaron Zeckoski: that movie made me sad
Aaron Zeckoski:
Mike Osterman: Sweet!
Mike Osterman: Didn't we decide that we don't have time for an installation section?
Mike Osterman: Yeah - what Aaron's saying.
Mike Osterman: Monday???
Mike Osterman: I guess I'm coming Monday then.
Mike Osterman: My wife is gonna kick my ass.
Mike Osterman: MOnday night.
Mike Osterman: Yep
Mike Osterman: Yeah.
Mike Osterman: Good point.
Mike Osterman: Beer + install.
Mike Osterman: I'll still be waking up.
Aaron Zeckoski: Oh right! It should be easy for Thomas then
Mike Osterman: Yeah - it makes sense splitting it out.
Mike Osterman: For presenting.
Zach: Thomas, I was hoping you would flesh out the Persistence stuff.
Mike Osterman: You mean what's the deliverable?
Aaron Zeckoski: tirade over
Aaron Zeckoski:
Mike Osterman: I think the important thing is each new code block is "well-commented"!
Mike Osterman: What's actually going on with each piece.
Mike Osterman: From an instructional POV
Mike Osterman: Yeah - the point is do you create skeletons by hand or by copying?
Mike Osterman: What does everyone who's "experienced" do?
Aaron Zeckoski: right
Mike Osterman: Right on.
Mike Osterman: We still don't have a "standard" to adhere to.
Mike Osterman: I like the Berkley std., but..
Mike Osterman: will we be heretical if we espouse that one.
Zach: Maybe we should call iteration 6: navigating the Sakai minefield
Zach:
Aaron Zeckoski: i.e. demonstrate a minimalist approach
Aaron Zeckoski: minefield... heh
Mike Osterman: Cool.
Aaron Zeckoski: AMEN!
Mike Osterman: You're cribbing from Ray, Zach.
Aaron Zeckoski: yep
Mike Osterman:
Mike Osterman: Damn, that's a good paper.
Mike Osterman: Loosely coupled Sakai, that is.
Zach: Ray and I are cribbing from Martin Fowler, Kent Beck, Ward Cunningham, etc.
Mike Osterman: Yep.
Mike Osterman: That was a clear quotation in his paper.
Zach: Oh, I didn't see the paper.
Aaron Zeckoski: sure
Mike Osterman: I read it on the plane back from Davis.
Mike Osterman: It was like "finding the light"
Aaron Zeckoski: it could be a general wrapup/Q&A/etc...
Aaron Zeckoski: go
Aaron Zeckoski: not a bad idea
Mike Osterman: That was the death of the TDE.
Mike Osterman: Yeah - that's good enough.
Aaron Zeckoski:
Mike Osterman: Mockups = 10% Code = 90%
Zach: Mike, do you realize we're attempting to do in a day what TDE failed to do in 6 months? I love it. :-D
Mike Osterman: 
Mike Osterman: This is in Confluence?
Aaron Zeckoski: sooo.... boo fro TDE?
Aaron Zeckoski: for
Zach: Don't get me started.
Mike Osterman: Not boo - we learned some hard lessons.
Aaron Zeckoski: JSP? what is that?
Aaron Zeckoski:
Aaron Zeckoski: I win!
Mike Osterman: Right on.
Mike Osterman: No frills but "dynamic".
Zach: right.
Mike Osterman: Yeah, getting stuff from Sakai is interation 2
Aaron Zeckoski: Darn humans!!!
Mike Osterman: We should heckle them.
Aaron Zeckoski: and berate them
Aaron Zeckoski: I vote Thomas for bouncer
Mike Osterman: Then again, these questions from the audience might locate holes in the curriculum
Zach: these are geeks we're talking about, Aaron.
Aaron Zeckoski: good point
Aaron Zeckoski: I should probably STOP working out then
Mike Osterman: Scope = add todo items
Mike Osterman: ?
Mike Osterman: And display them
Zach: we can even do delete!
Mike Osterman: Share!!!
Aaron Zeckoski: nice
Mike Osterman: It needs AJAX drag-n-drop
Mike Osterman: Right away.
Aaron Zeckoski: that's it, you're dead
Mike Osterman:
Aaron Zeckoski:
Mike Osterman: You all lose - I'm the weak link.
Mike Osterman: Please - a frag fest.
Zach: I score! Refresh, dawg.
Aaron Zeckoski: pwn3d!!!
Aaron Zeckoski: 2pm for me
Mike Osterman: I just snagged iteration 1
Mike Osterman: w00t
Mike Osterman: Thanks to our lovely Breeze host.
Mike Osterman: Peace out.